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JimScarver 10:58, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

I love that quote. I copied it to

" Like other tyrannies, the tyranny of the majority was at first, and is still vulgarly, held in dread, chiefly as operating through the acts of the public authorities." John Stuart Mill, On Liberty.

Franklin's quote says it a lot better.

But the social Democrats have won, The Berlin wall is down but it is the communist ideology that pervades our world today. The kids don't love liberty these days. Law fills buildings and it is getting worse everyday. The individual has been sacrificed to the politically correct view of the good life.

The medical treatment we get is decided by juries of peers, without a day of med school, in lawsuits, and our right to self medication is denied to us.

The positive indicators of the economy, income and sales are taxed, causing downturns and hardship. All the models agree but are ignored. Taxed enterprise is not free.

Our personal private information is used for profit without due compensation for our intellectual property ownership .

But how to we become well armed "lambs" in the information age. We can employ passive resistance, but that begs self sacrifice, and is ineffective without massive participation. We who remember the value of liberty can and must stand together for the sake of ourselves and thus civilization. We must stand up for ourselves defiantly though it is unlikely in our benefit in our lifetimes, it is necessary such that civilization might avert Armageddon and populate the galaxy.

Objectivity can replace political whim if we inforce our SocialContract. "The meek" do have the power to rule when we unite. We have always had the power. WE must use it at last.


On 10/21/06, James Allen wrote: > > What do you guys think about the fact that the ones in power are controlling the vote through electronic manipulations. This is the end of it all if you ask me. Is it any wonder Bush wants federal control of the state controlled militaries. He expects a revolution! We should give it to him! Clarence

The sad truth is that nothing meaningful has ever been accomplished without dirty tricks. The competition is dirty, and only fighting dirty wins. JimScarver 15:57, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

JamesJr wrote:

If the "meek" stand up for themselves defiantly, as you suggest, they will cease to be meek, and presumably, lose their inheritance right to the earth.

If the meek could stand up defiantly, they wouldn't be Italic textthe meekItalic text would they?

By the end of the Depression and the Hoover presidency, Americans were so desperate that many were ready for a dictatorship (the word, at that time lacked the powerfully negative connotation that it has now). The plight of many Americans was so dire that they were ready to hand over their civil liberties to a strong, charismatic leader who would "tell them what to do" and end the depression. The existing democratic government seemed too slow and bogged down in bi-partisanship. FDR could have easily become the nation's first autocratic leader, if that is what he had desired. To suggest that all generations until the current have understood and advocated liberty is silly.

I think you are once again comparing everything to the Post WWII era as if it represented all of American History (which, of course, it does not). The pendulum must swing far right before it can again swing left (and vis-versa).

The MEEK, more often than not, ARE the social democrats. They are MEEK, after all, and need a little looking after and protection by a father-like government (daddy knows best!).

We know that unfettered capitalism leads to the exploitation of workers and the endangerment of consumers. Unions and some government regulation are essential for the protection of citizens from profit-seeking gone overboard. However, taxing profit, and income, and the like is foolish and counterproductive. We are not taxing smart. Government has gotten too big. The law books are swollen. The balance is difficult to achieve.

We need intelligent leadership representing us. Non-partisan, truth-seeking, research wielding representatives who want to govern intelligently. (don't work harder, work smarter).

Did I address your point?

Yes and no James.

Unless they herd together for protection in the flock the lambs will perish. Nothing bignine will thrive. The bullies in the evolutionary game beat the cooperators. But the live and let live cooperation, allows the meek to live together in that realm with respect to each other in defiance of the bully.

There may have always been the two wolves of social pressure against the lamb of liberty, two hawks against the doves, two that seek to control for each who is against control.

Us hippies failed to ignite the live and let live, do your own thing, mutual respect non-interference mentality. While there wa a step forward, perhaps too radially forward, I can't help feel there has been more than to steps backwards since that time. The Libertarians have become about the only voice of true liberty.

Indeed, visionary leadership is needed, but there are no candidates yet. While dirty tricks might be necessary we do not seek to fight aggression with revolution where evolution is necessary. All we can do at present is herd together, if there are any left who love liberty.

JimScarver 15:57, 22 October 2006 (EDT)

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